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Hiya, and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com. And this episode is all about peptides and understanding them and how to use them optimally. And I’m right here with Nathalie Niddam, who’s a podcast host and longevity biohacker, a holistic nutritionist of human potential, and epigenetic coach. She’s a self-proclaimed science geek with a ardour for human well being. And some years in the past, she did a deep dive into peptides as a well being optimization choice. And she or he was captivated by the potential of those tiny proteins. And this grew to become the catalyst for the launch of her rising Fb neighborhood, the Optimizing Superhuman Efficiency Group, to feed the rising curiosity in these unimaginable compounds. And a 12 months later, she launched the Biohacking Superhuman Efficiency Podcast, which is now rated within the high 50 in her class. Her ardour is taking a look at longevity by means of the lens of all we will do in each space of our lives to promote vibrant well being, boundless power, and extra. She works with shoppers one-on-one and manages these communities, and we go deep on the subject of peptides right now. So let’s be part of Nat. Nathalie, welcome. Thanks a lot for being right here.

Nathalie: Thanks a lot for having me, Katie. It’s an honor to be right here. I’ve been, I’ve heard about you for a few years, truly. Effectively, longer than a few years. Your popularity precedes you. However personally, there was a lady that got here to a retreat that I ran within the Dominican Republic a few years in the past. And she or he stored telling me, oh, my good friend Katie, Wellness Mama, you want to meet her, want to meet her. After which lastly, we met final November in individual. So it’s very nice to reconnect.

Katie: I’m so excited to study from you right now. And we’re going to get to go deep on the subject of peptides, which is a subject I’m excited to study on a private stage. Earlier than we bounce into that, although, completely unrelated. I didn’t know till researching for this episode that your first language is French. I’d by no means have guessed that. However that’s true that your first language is definitely French?

Nathalie: It’s. I didn’t truly converse a phrase of English till I went to faculty.

Katie: Wow. Effectively, that’s unimaginable.

Nathalie: And I didn’t converse a phrase of English once I first went to faculty. So apparently I didn’t say a lot for a few months till I form of figured all of it out. After which it was like, all proper, we obtained this.

Katie: Effectively, my mother speaks French. I sadly didn’t decide up any of that or I’d attempt to say one thing in French to you, however that’s actually cool. After which a subject that you’re additionally extraordinarily well-versed in and I’m most excited to study from you about is the subject of peptides as a result of I’d guess most individuals have heard of peptides by this level, however they in all probability nonetheless appear somewhat mysterious or somewhat bit form of excessive barrier to entry of understanding how to even use them. They usually’re simply not sometimes a standard complement you possibly can simply add to your complement regime. So to begin off actually broad, are you able to clarify form of the broad ideas of what peptides are and then we’ll get to dive into how they can be utilized?

Nathalie: A 100%. So peptides are, the phrase peptide means protein. So a peptide is a sequence and proteins are made up of amino acids, that are the constructing blocks of protein. And so a peptide by definition is a sequence of amino acids that’s 50 amino acids or fewer in size. A polypeptide can be, I imagine it’s between 50 and 100 amino acids. After which something above that’s only a protein. And so proteins, as individuals might know, might be tons of of amino acids lengthy, and they’re very intricately folded. Peptides, as a result of they’re lots smaller, will also be folded. However mainly, they’re simply tiny little proteins within the physique that act as signaling molecules. They’re, they often, they’ve been remoted from our physique. So, they’re naturally occurring within the human physique. However what’s occurred over the previous few a long time is individuals have form of remoted them, and then use them in several methods to form of set off desired responses within the physique by reapplying them.

Katie: Yeah, and that their capability to be signaling is what’s most fascinating to me, as a result of I feel once we perceive them broadly as basically like amino acids and the constructing blocks of proteins, they appear like, okay, that looks as if one thing that clearly can be already in our physique that we will produce or we get from meals. However then once they’re remoted like this, that’s once they kind of have their form of elevated potential, I suppose I’d say. And I do know that throughout the world of peptides, there are so, so, so many. How do these signaling mechanisms work throughout the physique? So this may be completely different, as an example, than if we had been simply getting a number of the similar peptides from a meals supply once we’re getting them on this like remoted format?

Nathalie: Yeah, so the very same peptides don’t essentially come from a meals supply. I imply, I suppose perhaps you would possibly get some from sure animal merchandise, and we’ll discuss later, or we’ll comply with up with and speak about bioregulator peptides individually as a result of these are positively accessible in meals. However the peptides that we’re speaking about, and simply to convey it to a spot the place individuals can get actual readability on this, there’s a really well-known peptide that just about everyone’s heard of, and that’s insulin. And so insulin is a peptide, and it’s a signaling molecule within the physique. And so we make insulin from our pancreas beneath regular circumstances. And typically in sure illness states, individuals’s, , both the beta islet cells get broken or no matter occurs. And we cease making insulin and we lose our means to correctly course of glucose. And so what, , the massive discovery was isolating insulin and then re-synthesizing it in a lab and then studying that by reapplying it to the physique, we will form of complement the physique’s provide of and get it to do what it might usually do should you had insulin, should you had been making it your self.

Katie: And I’d guess lots of people don’t even notice that insulin is a peptide. Are there different ones throughout the physique that maybe individuals have heard of and might not notice are literally labeled as peptides?

Nathalie: Effectively, , oxytocin, for instance, individuals suppose, , individuals have heard, lots of people have heard of oxytocin. It’s the, , it’s the love hormone and or it may be administered to girls in labor to form of transfer issues alongside. And so oxytocin is one other peptide that’s naturally made by our our bodies and that may be synthesized in a lab and then readministered.

So all of those peptides that persons are speaking about actually are both, are fairly often they’re fragments of naturally occurring peptides within the physique. And so we will, so one thing like, for instance, one of many ones that probably individuals have heard of, so now I’m speaking to the a part of your viewers that’s form of been working forward right here, and perhaps they’re somewhat bit additional forward. And so one of many ones they could have heard of is one thing referred to as BPC 157. And so what we’ll discover is that in these peptides that persons are fairly enthusiastic about which have made fairly a splash during the last variety of years, the names of those peptides leaves lots to be desired. It’s fairly often like a collection of letters and numbers, and that’s as a result of they had been named by scientists who found them and remoted them. So BPC stands for Physique Protecting Compound. And 157 truly is number one to 57 as a result of it’s that first to the, it’s the place, you suppose it’s obtained to be 1 to 57, however truly it’s solely 19 amino acids lengthy, but it surely has some designation of the place in the entire BPC 157 that’s naturally occurring in our guts, it has some indication about that fragment, the place they remoted the fragment from. It could’t be 1 to 57 as a result of then it might be 57 amino acids lengthy. So…

Katie: That’s so fascinating. And doubtless that one is essentially the most that has gotten essentially the most mainstream consideration. So I’d love to go somewhat deeper on BPC particularly as a result of I do know from my fundamental understanding that may be taken orally or it may be injected as many peptides are. And it looks as if maybe it does various things when within the completely different ways in which it may be form of put into the physique. However are you able to elaborate on what BPC does and perhaps a number of the use circumstances that you just discover for it?

Nathalie: So, , not solely can or not it’s used orally and by subcutaneous injection. It will also be used topically. It may be used intranasally. It may be compounded as eye drops. So it’s a really, very versatile peptide. And so I’ll typically refer to it because the Swiss Military knife of peptides as a result of it has an affect on so many alternative tissues and programs within the physique. However its main superpower and the factor that, the 2 issues that individuals actually determine with BPC 157 is therapeutic the GI tract, therapeutic the intestine lining, and additionally therapeutic musculoskeletal accidents.

So BPC 157 is the champion of stimulating therapeutic varied tissues within the physique. And it does this primarily by appearing as a signaling molecule so it’s going to connect to sure receptors on the skin of the cells and provoke cascades. And likewise by doing so, typically it even influences the expression of sure genes that affect restore. Nevertheless it additionally might be very helpful for issues like wound therapeutic, like precise wounds, surgical wounds. It may be actually good for therapeutic of burns. It additionally may be very highly effective for sure neurological points. It could assist with remyelination of nerves. It’s also an anti-inflammatory. It could assist with ache. In animal research, it was proven to be protecting from TBIs. , if I give it some thought lengthy sufficient, I might give you one other laundry record of issues that it does, however you get the thought. The thought is that this little, tiny protein is a really versatile protein within the setting of our system.

The opposite factor that it does, and the rationale why it is usually so useful for therapeutic of accidents, is that it upregulates the manufacturing of the expression of development hormone receptors. And so fairly often BPC 157 has been used together with one other class of peptides referred to as development hormone secretagogues. And people peptides mainly stimulate the mind to produce and launch your personal development hormone. So you possibly can think about that now you’ve obtained your BPC 157 that’s initiating its personal restore cascades, but it surely’s additionally pushing out these catcher’s mitts for development hormone. And on the similar time, you’ve obtained these development hormone secretagogues which are growing your manufacturing of development hormone, which goes to speed up therapeutic as effectively.

Katie: And that is the one actually that I’ve essentially the most private expertise with, each on myself with accidents and additionally my older youngsters which are athletes. We’ve in our home not too long ago had a torn quad and a torn meniscus and a sprained ankle. And I’ll say it’s been wonderful how quickly it appears to velocity up that therapeutic cascade. And I feel anytime we’re speaking about peptides, that’s an essential level to spotlight is due to the way in which they work, they’re truly enhancing what the physique already is aware of how to do. This isn’t like going across the physique’s pure mechanisms. It’s enhancing the physique’s personal therapeutic capabilities versus like a pharmaceutical which may bypass one thing that’s happening throughout the physique. And so these are kind of like upregulating the issues your physique already is aware of how to do. Similar to anytime we’re speaking about detox, I all the time like to remind individuals we’re truly simply enhancing the physique’s means to detox. We’re not doing something externally that’s inflicting this. The physique is aware of what to do inherently. And I do know peptides lengthen far past simply BPC, regardless that that’s essentially the most well-known. What are a number of the different ones that you just generally discover individuals profit from?

Nathalie: So, , one factor we must always say about peptides is that they have, they’re in somewhat little bit of a grey zone proper now from a regulatory perspective. The FDA has taken observe of peptides and has reclassified them as Class 2 compounds, which implies that technically we’re not supposed to be utilizing them anymore. So I simply need to put that on the market. Clearly, that doesn’t cease lots of people who take issues into their very own fingers and biohackers and such and so forth. However the FDA has decreed that they don’t really feel that there’s sufficient analysis and info round them for them to simply be accessible to the market.

So having stated that, when it comes to what I’ve seen during the last variety of years, , it’s exhausting to decide. It’s somewhat bit like saying, effectively, who’s your favourite baby? And also you’re like, effectively, I don’t have a favourite. That simply relies upon, proper? I imply, they’re all my favourite. However one other one which I feel may be very fascinating and notable is Thymosin Alpha-1, which is a thymus peptide. So your thymus gland lives in your chest proper behind your breastbone. It’s, in some ways, the seat of your immunity. And our thymus gland will begin to form of involute as we become old. Nevertheless it produces all of those compounds that set off the immune system to do sure issues. And so Thymosin Alpha-1 is a peptide that helps the innate immune system. So it may be very helpful for individuals with sure sorts of autoimmune illness. So so long as they aren’t Th2 dominant, then Thymosin Alpha-1 is a superb selection for them as a result of it’s going to convey up Th1 aspect of the immune system, which is the innate immune system. It’s additionally been proven to be very efficient when attempting to cope with illness, like someone’s coming down with the flu, Thymosin Alpha-1 can actually assist to velocity up that restoration, every kind of viruses, as a matter of reality. And so it’s, , it’s a really highly effective compound. It does have orphan drug standing within the US, but it surely’s solely accepted for hepatitis B and C proper now. Nevertheless it’s a, it’s a very fascinating peptide.

One other one which, , it might sooner or later, , form of push BPC 157 off the official Swiss Military knife seat. And that’s a peptide referred to as GHK-C, effectively, it’s referred to as GHK, however the image for it’s GHK-Cu. Now the Cu stands for copper. And so fairly often individuals will refer to it because the copper peptide. And so what’s actually fascinating about GHK is that it’s notably useful for pores and skin. And that’s the place it form of obtained its declare to fame. The physician who found it and introduced it to market is a health care provider by the title of Dr. Loren Pickart, who’s an American physician. And I imagine it was within the early 1970s is when he found GHK copper. And what’s wonderful about this peptide is it’s solely three amino acids lengthy. So it’s the tiniest of tiny peptides.

And what it could actually do, as a result of it’s so tiny, is it could actually truly affect the expression of DNA. So it truly influences your gene expression. And it’s been studied and proven to reset many, many genes, like 1000’s of genes, again to their youthful settings. It will also be very useful for therapeutic. Because it seems, it’s additionally actually nice at therapeutic wounds and notably at decreasing scarring. And there was one thing else that was crowding that thought out because it was getting out. I misplaced it. So it’s extremely highly effective for therapeutic wounds. However apparently sufficient, it is also now being proven to have some advantages for even nervousness, for some individuals. It acts on each tissue that wants to heal, together with the intestine. So it could truly work very well hand in hand with BPC 157 as a result of they’d form of function on completely different planes, however with a standard aim. So it’s form of like going on the similar downside by means of a few completely different pathways. After which the opposite factor that GHK does is it helps with collagen and elastin within the physique. So it helps, so this is the reason you’ll find quite a few topical form of I don’t just like the phrase anti-aging notably, however you’ll find quite a few skincare manufacturers that use GHK-Cu both in small proportion or as the principle ingredient of their merchandise.

Katie: So is GHK used topically primarily, or is it additionally used internally?

Nathalie: So it form of relies upon what you’re doing with it. So it may be used topically 100%. It will also be utilized by subcutaneous injection. As a result of it’s so tiny, there are individuals who really feel that it will also be taken orally. I haven’t seen a whole lot of information on that, however there’s positively a few complement firms on the market that provide it. And I feel it will also be used intranasally.

So the intranasal administration is all the time actually fascinating, proper? As a result of we don’t consider our nostril as some extent of entry essentially, aside from perhaps to the sinuses. However that is the place it’s going throughout the intranasal membrane and being absorbed straight into the bloodstream. And to some extent, even would possibly have an effect on the mind by means of that route as effectively.

And so one of many communities of people who I’ve seen utilizing GHK-Cu and even BPC 157, each of them, are individuals who have a situation, a genetic situation referred to as Ehlers-Danlos syndrome. I don’t know should you’ve ever heard of it, EDS. And so these are individuals who fairly often are hypermobile. They don’t make collagen correctly. They usually can have points everywhere in the spectrum, it might present up as simply being tremendous versatile. However in some circumstances, they’ve they endure from POTS, the place their physique’s not in a position to regulate their blood strain correctly. These are individuals who can elevate up their hand and dislocate an elbow or a wrist like they, it could actually get very excessive. And people populations of individuals have discovered that each GHK and BPC 157 appears to have sufficient of an affect on their on their tissues, that it helps them to be somewhat bit stronger. The one factor is that as a result of their situation is genetic, you form of have to maintain utilizing the peptides to maintain getting the advantages as a result of they’re not going to repair your genes, they’re simply going to perhaps affect the way in which they categorical.

Katie: That is smart. My first expertise with that one has been not too long ago, truly, I reduce off on a diagonal, the a part of like a high a part of my finger. And I used to be questioning if it might truly regenerate or if I’d have form of like a sharp finger. And it truly, I feel between that and I used to be already in a fairly superior development hormone state from fasting, it has totally regenerated in lower than two weeks. So I don’t know that that’s solely from the GHK, but it surely actually didn’t harm to have that on board as effectively.

I feel additionally when it comes to the peptide dialog, the place it will get mystifying for lots of people is you talked about like subcutaneous injection. And I feel there’s, after all, the class of something involving needles can really feel very scary to lots of people, but additionally there’s a whole lot of seemingly tough math concerned once you’re speaking about reconstituting and dosing. And there’s a lot that goes into that. Any tips about demystifying that course of somewhat bit? As a result of this may be a completely new space for lots of people.

Nathalie: Yeah. So the subcutaneous injection, to be trustworthy, is a barrier of entry for most individuals, proper? Lots of people, you don’t meet too many individuals who simply love poking themselves with needles. Prefer it’s simply not a factor. I personally considered myself as needle phobic till I form of obtained into this area. However what we’re speaking about right here is basically like an, it’s an insulin needle. So it’s a tiny little needle. It’s administered within the layer of fats proper beneath the pores and skin. In order that’s the place we’re saying subcutaneous. And I feel that for individuals who determine to form of transfer into this area, you do have to educate your self. You’ve got to be, to me, you will have to be fastidious about cleanliness. We’re speaking about alcohol, like every thing that you just see your physician or a nurse doing earlier than they offer you a shot, you will have to be ready to form of take that on. You need to ensure that the world is tremendous clear, that you just’ve wiped it with alcohol. You’re by no means going to reuse needles. Folks ask me that on a regular basis. You need to swab the highest of the vial earlier than you place the needle in.

And so the way in which that individuals reconstitute these peptides, notably in the event that they’re not getting them from a compounding pharmacy, is they are going to fairly often, they are going to arrive in a tiny little vial that half the time goes to look nearly empty. And that’s as a result of we’re speaking about very small quantities of product. And until the producer you’re getting it, the lab you’re getting it from is utilizing fillers like Mannitol, if it’s simply the peptide, typically it seems like there’s a few grains of stuff in there. Nothing else. In order that takes somewhat little bit of getting used to.

What is going to then occur is individuals would have to reconstitute their peptides. And what which means is you’re mainly mixing it with a liquid to flip it into an answer, proper? And if it’s getting used for subcutaneous injection, it’s that resolution that’s mostly used is known as bacteriostatic water. And what bacteriostatic water is, is water with a really low focus of alcohol. And it’s simply sufficient alcohol that it stops the expansion of micro organism. Now, what’s essential to point out right here is it doesn’t cease, it doesn’t kill micro organism. In order that’s why you will have to be so cautious once you’re mixing issues up or everytime you’re introducing a needle into the vial, as a result of should you introduce micro organism, it’s going to keep. It gained’t develop, however it’s going to keep.

So when it comes to doing the mathematics, you talked about math and the mathematics is absolutely baffling to individuals. I’m not going to lie. It was fairly darn baffling to me initially. I feel that, , that is the place getting assist from a coach or somebody who is aware of what they’re doing simply to educate you the mathematics is a very nice thought. However, or you should use, there are some on-line peptide calculators. The trick there may be you want to know what dose you’re after, proper? So, you possibly can’t not know the dose. And what I’ll say is that what you want to get it down to is what number of milligrams of peptide are there within the vial per milliliter. And that offers you your focus. And upon getting an thought of that, now we will begin going by means of math to perceive how a lot of this resolution do I want to draw out to get my desired dose? Is that what you had been after?

Katie: Precisely. Sure. Yeah, I really feel like that’s the massive hurdle for lots of people. And also you touched on the FDA stuff. And I do know that like anytime, particularly once we’re speaking about injecting something, security is, after all, a priority. Are there any issues to know on the protection aspect or dangers that individuals would possibly want to pay attention to earlier than they’d think about even researching and taking place the peptide highway?

Nathalie: Yeah. So, I imply, look, peptides are, on the one hand, there are individuals who’ve been utilizing peptides for a few a long time, at the least. However for essentially the most half, let’s simply say it’s a final 10- to 15-year phenomenon. And it’s actually bubbled up into the mainstream within the final 5 years. And so whereas there may be some analysis on the market round peptides, there’s not an entire lot of human analysis, and there’s actually not an entire lot of long-term human research. So there’s all the time uncertainty. I feel that there’s a few issues. On the one hand, what we’ve noticed is that they’ve a reasonably good security profile. Then again, it isn’t inconceivable, neither is it exceptional, that individuals might need an allergic or histamine response to sure peptides. And it is dependent upon the individual. So the concept that, oh, nothing might probably go fallacious, truly will not be true.

Secondly, it’s attainable that individuals typically have hostile reactions to sure peptides due to pre-existing circumstances that they have already got. So for instance, I’d say that like with the expansion hormone secretagogues that I discussed earlier, fairly often, not fairly often, but it surely’s not unusual to see individuals have a histamine response to these. And what that appears like is on the injection web site, they are going to get like a sizzling purple bump, nearly like a mosquito chunk. In the event that they proceed, certainly one of two issues occurs. Both the bump will get larger, hotter, and extra itchy, which is a particular signal by the physique to again down. Don’t do this once more as a result of that may escalate. Or typically, the immune system, it’s nearly prefer it has an preliminary response and then it backs down.

However the different factor that may occur with development hormone secretagogues is it could actually trigger a slight improve in blood strain. That improve ought to be transient, however for some individuals, it’s not. So you will have to be very cognizant of the place you’re at, what your baselines are. BPC 157 on paper is meant to steadiness the dopaminergic, serotonergic, and GABAergic programs within the mind. And but there are some people who get very extreme nervousness from BPC 157.

So I feel the takeaway is that there’s lots we don’t know as a result of we all know that the businesses that actually have the cash to spend on that form of analysis are huge pharma firms. As a result of they’ll’t patent the peptides as they’re, their motivation to do this analysis is pretty low. And that huge analysis hasn’t been accomplished but. I feel what’s occurring and what some individuals imagine may be occurring with this complete FDA factor is that identical to with the GLP-1 agonists, so issues like Mounjaro and Ozempic which have made fairly a splash during the last couple of years, these are peptides. And what occurred with these is that the pharma firms did the analysis and found out a method to, and it’s not simply that they found out a method. They modified the molecules in order that it might have a for much longer half-life within the physique and subsequently ship a sure consequence.

So in doing that, they did one thing that they had been in a position to patent. With BPC-157, I feel what we’re going to see is we’re going to, in some unspecified time in the future, we’re going to see some medicine come out that’s based mostly on or a spinoff of BPC-157. So I suppose to reply your query is, individuals want to know that they’re, that peptides are very highly effective. They’re on the one hand, they appear to be pretty protected as a result of they arrive from our our bodies, however however, there are particular pathways which may get activated that we’re not aware of but. And in conditions the place somebody, for instance, has lively most cancers or sure well being circumstances, I feel it’s actually essential to hunt down a practitioner or a doctor who’s aware of peptides and actually how they work at a mobile stage in order that they’ll correctly information you and keep away from , going the fallacious method. Like with Thymosin Alpha 1, which many individuals suppose is tremendous protected and nice for everyone, I’ve seen individuals have actually unhealthy reactions as a result of they had been already TH2 dominant, and it simply pushed them over the sting.

Katie: And it feels like we’re in a time of like kind of to be continued on the dialog as every thing unravels with the FDA and as this stuff push for approval in several avenues. Nevertheless it’s like a captivating subject and one which hopefully we get to do extra comply with up sooner or later as these items begin to unravel. For individuals who need to continue learning extra about peptides, I do know you will have a whole lot of assets accessible on-line. The place can individuals discover you and continue learning from you?

Nathalie: So the most effective place to go is my web site, which is natniddam.com. And on that web site, there’s a tab on the high that claims BSP Neighborhood, like Bob, Susan, and Peter neighborhood. And that neighborhood is a personal membership neighborhood that I run on Mighty Networks. And should you be part of as an annual member, you truly get entry to my peptide crash course. Which I put collectively a few years in the past, simply actually to assist individuals form of get their floor, their footing on this complete peptide area and actually perceive the fundamentals about a number of the most typical peptides. They usually also can comply with me on Instagram, which is simply my title @NathalieNiddam. After which I’ve obtained a Fb group that I began about 4 years in the past, I would like to say, that I’m not in as a lot anymore. Nevertheless it’s a very, it’s a, I’ll name it a really vibrant and lively neighborhood. It’s gotten fairly huge. It’s round 22,000 members proper now. And so it’s referred to as Optimizing Superhuman Efficiency. And principally it’s run by a few admins, however I’m in there each occasionally as effectively.

Katie: Superior. Effectively, I’ll make sure that all of these are linked within the present notes for you guys listening on the go. And this has been such a enjoyable dialog. And like I stated, this can be a new space for me. I’m simply starting experimentation with it. So we will have follow-up conversations sooner or later, however thanks a lot to your time and for every thing you shared right now.

Nathalie: Thanks, Katie. It’s been a pleasure. Thanks a lot for having me.

Katie: And thanks to all of you for listening. And I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of the Wellness Mama Podcast.

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